Thursday, February 6, 2014

Bill Maher says the Founding Fathers thought the bible was bullshit


Airing on January 31, 2014, Real Time with Bill Maher episode 305 included an exchange with Stephan Merchant about the Founding Fathers and the current qualifications for public office in the United States today. After Merchant quipped about the enlightenment and brilliance of Americas Founding Fathers, Maher added a remark that ought to be said much more often in political discourse:

"[The Founding Fathers] believed in science....they thought the bible was bullshit"

Rather than using my own words to establish the validity of the statement, I turn instead to direct quotes from some of the Founding Fathers themselves (with bold font added to highlight 'the bible is bullshit' type of thinking)....

Jefferson:
"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear.""It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God."
Franklin:
"As to Jesus of Nazareth, my Opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the System of Morals and his Religion, as he left them to us, the best the world ever saw or is likely to see; but I apprehend it has received various corrupt changes, and I have, with most of the present Dissenters in England, some Doubts as to his divinity; tho' it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and I think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an opportunity of knowing the Truth with less Trouble."
Washington:
“We have abundant reason to rejoice that in this Land the light of truth and reason has triumphed over the power of bigotry and superstition… In this enlightened Age and in this Land of equal liberty it is our boast, that a man’s religious tenets will not forfeit the protection of the Laws, nor deprive him of the right of attaining and holding the highest Offices that are known in the United States.”
James Madison: 
“Freedom arises from the multiplicity of sects, which pervades America and which is the best and only security for religious liberty in any society. For where there is such a variety of sects, there cannot be a majority of any one sect to oppress and persecute the rest.
John Adams:
“The Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.”

What I aim to convey is that many of the Founding Fathers appear to be quite heretical in their beliefs. For the religious right to quote them in defense their views (on the second amendment, religious freedoms, or separation of church and state, or American being a Christian nation....) Seems terribly dishonest. Any persons with ideas like those highlighted above would hardly be called Christians at all by leading voices from the right, like William Lane Craig and practically every single person employed by Fox News. 

Whether they believed in God is irrelevant. Admittedly, There are plenty of quotes to be found that praise God explicitly, but I would question whether the God they praised is the same God of the Christian right. I Think not. Let's not forget that Jefferson actually compiled his own bible in protest against the accepted bible, so perhaps they should enlighten themselves a little more about our enlightened, and rather heretical, Founding Fathers.


Sources:

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/07/04/35-founding-father-quotes-conservative-christians-will-hate/

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Bible

http://www.examiner.com/article/what-did-the-founding-fathers-believe






Tuesday, January 21, 2014

Bill Maher Thinks Edward Snowden always "says something completely nuts"

Bill Maher took on Edward Snowden during an interview with Glenn Greenwald on Episode 303 of Real Time with Bill Maher. Maher offered praise for both Greenwald and Snowden but also said the following:

"Every time [Snowden] opens his mouth, he also says something completely nuts"

Maher offers two quotes which he attributes Snowden to highlight his case:

"These programs were never about terrorism. They were about social control and diplomatic manipulation"
"They can use this system to go back in time and scrutinize every decision you've ever made, every friend you've ever discussed something with" 

First, it would be wise to assure the validity and context of both statements to be sure that Snowden was not misquoted or taken out of context.  The first quote was taken from Snowden's open letter to the people of Brazil, published on December 17th, 2013, which he wrote in the hopes of gaining asylum in that country. The second quote was taken from an interview on June 6th, 2013 when Greenwald first broke the story about NSA spying. Both quotes are plainly stated laments about the U.S. government's indiscriminate use of data mining and suveillance capabilities (then again, pretty much every thing Snowden says follows a similar idealistic backdrop). Greenwald also appears to fully acknowledge the claims are accurate depictions.

Second, are these quotes really evidence that Snowden is nuts? Or better said, does he have any evidence that the NSA program is actively pursuing social control, manipulation and can go back in time to scrutinize the peanut butter sandwich you made for lunch two years ago? Well, Carl Sagan widely popularized the quote, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence", presumably an adaptation from philosopher David Hume's quotes, "a wise man...proportions his belief to the evidence". Snowden is certainly making an extraordinary claim. The accusation of social control is arguably the most graven and heinous accusations one can make against a democratic government. Therefore, it remains to be determined whether he proportions his beliefs to the evidence at hand.

The NSA program and The PRISM program it employs does indiscriminately collect and store massive amounts of data. Yet there is no evidence that the programs have been abused in such a way that could be described as the government exercising social control upon its citizens.  NSA director Michael Hayden dismissed NSA abuses in an op-ed piece for the New York Times and deemed plausible by Senator Dianne Feinstein back in 2009 although the NSA eventually admitted in 2013 to some abuses of power which usually included deciding whose information to collect on criteria that were far too broad in scope. This is an issue that needs attention; there is no doubt about it. Oversight and regulation of NSA practices need to continue to be scrutinized and re-scrutinized. But to label these abuses as social control is a claim that is a step too far. Yes, the government is collecting and storing too much information, but that does not mean they are actively employing Aldous Huxley 'Brave New World' style social control. There is no evidence that a peanut butter sandwich was made by a government that wanted its citizen to eat a peanut butter sandwich and not a hungry person who actually wanted to eat peanut butter.

I am with Snowden, generally speaking, when it comes to reigning in the power of the NSA, but whenever he spews out bigfoot-style conspiracy theories such as the quotes above I cringe. I wish he would chose his words better,temper his rhetoric with the facts or show hard evidence that U.S. citizens are mindless drones in a government created reality.

It also doesn't help when Greenwald responds by saying, "what's crazy is that you think it's crazy". No, Greenwald, it's crazy because the evidence doesn't support it. Maybe that'll change. Greenwald and Snowden do have millions of pages of NSA documents, after all, and have proven Sen. Feinstein wrong. So do the some with Bill Maher.


sources:

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/12/18/340588/snowden-offers-to-help-brazil-over-nsa/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/snowdens-open-letter-to-brazil-read-the-text/2013/12/17/9bf1342a-6727-11e3-8b5b-a77187b716a3_story.html

http://www.csoonline.com/article/734641/nsa-snooping-bolsters-opponents-of-u.s.-internet-control

http://pastebin.com/2ybz27UE

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sen-dianne-feinstein/setting-the-record-straig_b_248787.html

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131231/17140325732/stop-letting-nsas-defenders-lie-there-have-been-many-significant-abuses.shtml

http://rt.com/usa/nsa-collects-sms-messages-731/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/16/nsa-text-messages_n_4613470.html